Hello from WHITE FLOWERS to all . I am new

[Anahitaeba]

Hi everyone
My name is Anna. I am a child provider. i am a mother of 2 kids i open my home childcare (WHITE FLOWERS HOME CHILD CARE ) in Newmarket ON . i am looking for children ages 2 years to 6 years . I sent my information about my home child care ,but I could not see my daycare in the list . please let me know what I have to do to introduce my daycare .Thanks:):)

[cfred]

Hello Anna. I'm a provider in College Manor in Newmarket. HI! When I first signed up here, my daycare was showing up in Markham as the mapping was way off. After writing to the administrators, I was able to assure them that they were actually in the wrong and they got my address sorted out. I would suggest you contact them to see what's gone wrong. It's not an infallible system here.

Newmarket has lots of business here....but also a LOT of providers. It's quite saturated, so it can take a while to fill up. Don't get discouraged :) Good luck to you...I hope it goes well for you! Congrats on the new business!

[Anahitaeba]

Hi Cfred
thanks for your advised and your suggestion . I really appreciate it.
I will contact to the administrators . :)
Regards

[cfred]

No problem. I wasn't much help though ;)

If you wish, there's an event at Fionn MacCool's here in Newmarket on Thursday, January 29th between 4:30pm and 6:30pm. Lisa MacLeod is stopping in on her campaign tour to discuss Bill 10. There are home daycare providers, independent daycare operators and Montessori reps coming. If you want the chance to network with others in your field and get caught up on Bill 10 (Childcare Modernization Act), let me know and I'll add you to the list. If you don't know anything about Bill 10, I would strongly advise you to learn about it as the rules for home daycares have changed significantly and you should know what they are before you start bringing kids in, so you remain compliant. The fines are a little steeper now at $200,000.

[Anahitaeba]

Dear cfred

I don t know about this act . I tried to find in google i find this website :

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?loca le=en&BillID=2913

But I could not understand about the act !!! . I really appreciate it if explain to me . the fine is for what ???

[cfred]

That doesn't surprise me. Many providers and families don't know about it, though the government will happily ruin you financially should you be unwittingly out of compliance. The only real public education on the matter has come from the Coalition of Independent Childcare Providers of Ontario (CICPO). It might be a good idea, if you have Facebook, to join their group. There is a tremendous amount of information on Bill 10 and our actions against it. Another Facebook group to join which offers more discussion surrounding the details of Bill 10 is Ontario Families and Providers Against Bill 143 - Bill 10 was Bill 143 before the election.

The bill is very complicated and I'm not surprised that you've not read it.....it's painful and I've not read the whole thing either. It took the founders of the group days to read and decipher it...and I believe they had assistance.

Here are the most immediately important rules:

1. No more than 2 children under 2 years of age, including provider's own children.

2. Provider's own children up to the age of 6 yrs are counted in the ratio....unless in FDK (during the prescribed school year.....not sure about PA days and vacations. Summers are definitely out and you need to find alternate care during summer months).

Those are the heaviest hitting ones for most providers. Of course, there are more rules, but those are the biggest and most immediate. The Liberals had told us that we had until Jan 2016 to become compliant. This was stated in Legislative assembly AND right out of the Minister of Education's mouth in a private meeting (that I wish they'd video taped) AND in letters to various providers seeking clarification. Now they're stating that ONLY children in care BEFORE Royal Assent (Dec.4th, 2014) are allowed to stay till Jan 2016, but anyone coming into care afterward (say, Dec 5th onward) must be compliant now. And I'm afraid that not knowing about it won't exempt you from the massive fines if they catch you out of compliance. In fact, either the Minister of Education or the Premiere of Ontario (can't remember which off the top of my head now) stated openly that the fines from Independent Providers being caught out of compliance will pull in revenue for the province. This makes quite a few of us feel that there might be a bit of a witch hunt occurring and we've heard of a number of surprise visits.

There will be a lot of discussion surrounding this on Jan 29th with Lisa MacLeod (running for head of PC party) who has been advocating on our behalf. If you wish to attend, let me know. There will also be some media coverage, which is pretty cool :)

[bright sparks]

Now they're stating that ONLY children in care BEFORE Royal Assent (Dec.4th, 2014) are allowed to stay till Jan 2016, but anyone coming into care afterward (say, Dec 5th onward) must be compliant now. And I'm afraid that not knowing about it won't exempt you from the massive fines if they catch you out of compliance. In fact, either the Minister of Education or the Premiere of Ontario (can't remember which off the top of my head now) stated openly that the fines from Independent Providers being caught out of compliance will pull in revenue for the province. This makes quite a few of us feel that there might be a bit of a witch hunt occurring and we've heard of a number of surprise visits.


This is the first time I've heard this confirmed and it has my blood boiling for the simple fact of, how the hell are IDP's supposed to know this??? There has been no effort on the governments part, clearly, to inform the GP or the industry professionals of this small but huge detail. How many above board providers could potentially have their reputation ruined innocently due to the fact that they didn't know. Even for someone like me who frequents this site, I was not aware of it. Lot's of providers are following this and are not aware of it. This once again just reinforces that this is just about money. Money for the agencies and money for the province which as you said was said outright by the government but one thing I am yet to hear from a single person is how this crock of a bill makes any child in Ontario safer. What a load of crap! So glad I'm getting out.

[cfred]

Well...and I put out a little misinformation there Bright Sparks. My error was that kids being brought in after Royal Assent must be compliant after Proclamation, which is expected to take place in the fall. Sorry...not immediate. They SAY the fall, but Royal Assent was supposed to be in the summer or fall, or at least that was what I understood. BUT, after reading the Auditor General's Report on the licensed sector, we all understand why they had to rush to have the bill become law before that little gem came out. My god....what a sneaky bunch of buggers!

So...the short correction....childr en after Royal Assent are fine till Proclamation....when ever they decide to F$#% with us just a little bit more.

[sandylynn]

OK...but the $200,000 fines are not in affect until Jan 2016...correct?

[cfred]

I really don't know sandylynn. There's so much information flying around right now. There's a meeting sometime this winter (Feb I think) in which regulations and processes will be discussed and hashed out. CICPO has a seat at this meeting (I believe) so we'll know more then. There is a tremendous amount of confusion surrounding all of this from all sides (Min of Ed included). It's a mess. I'll post things as I find out about them.

Our best line of action right now is to get Lisa MacLeod voted in as PC leader. This requires becoming a PC member. There's a nominal fee ($25 or something along those lines). This provides you the right to vote for the PC leader you want. She has stated that if she gets in, and PCs win the federal election in the fall, she'll get the bill repealed, which would be pretty sweet, in my opinion. I'll post the link to become a member, if anyone wishes to do so. There are events being held across the province as part of her campaign tour. You can certainly attend those as well as a means to hear her speak. Some are more intimate...I've seen pics of a bunch of ladies having dinner with her at restaurants. Some are larger and more formal. Mine, here in Newmarket has a larger group of pushing 40 people now with Lisa speaking at a podium.

[sandylynn]

ok, THANK YOU cfred....gosh I hope there are no heavy fines for having more than 2 under 2 right now....That's not the way I have been deciphering it

[Anahitaeba]

Thank you Cfred for you information . It 's my pleasure to have a good friend like you ....
:)

[cfred]

You're welcome, but ladies, I would suggest you look into it yourselves. As I said, there's been a lot of confusion surrounding this and I'm not impervious to it. And, they SAID it was likely that proclamation would be in the fall. I believe they also said that Royal Assent would be in the summer....and they pushed it through in 2 weeks to come out ahead of the the Auditor General's Report. Do NOT take my word for it...I don't want that responsibility. I've heard that's what's happening, and have read it in different places, but this bill and everything around it has been a mess. You need to do your own investigating too.

[sandylynn]

cfred...what do you mean "surprise visits"

[cfred]

Pretty much just how it sounds.....there's a knock at your door with someone from the Ministry on the other side. Apparently they come if there's a complaint, but there's been an increase since this Bill 10 nonsense. Or, maybe people are just paying attention to it now. A number of providers have said that they had people from the ministry show up at their front doors wanting to have a look around.

[babydom]

It's my understanding that they still need a warrant to enter your home. If you are however caught at a park or outside with, if say more then 5 or more then 2 under 2s no warning doesn't have to be given.....can get an automatic fine.

[cfred]

Yes, they still need a warrant. However, it's probably not be wise to turn them away as, I would think, you're then asking for them to be more nitpicky. I'd be inclined to let them in and be as accommodating as possible. They only want to come and see if you're compliant with numbers (or so I've been told). Being difficult about it might bring on a more thorough inspection.

[torontokids]

I find all the information contradictory and confusing. I was going to take on a 5th DCC in Feb (I currently have 4 plus my daughter) but now I am wondering if this is going to put me and my business at risk. I already have 2 under 2yrs and this new child is 2.5 yrs so she won't effect me in that regard. I have looked again at CCRPN and CICPO and none of the info has been updated re: Bill 10. I guess I'll just send an email again to the Ministry of Education and see what they tell me.

[Sassygirl]

This whole thing is just so confusing.
I am re opening after taking off 6 months maternity leave and trying to find clients and be in compliance with the under 2 rule now...
Although it is truly amazing how many parents have not heard of it at all!

[sandylynn]

But this 2 under 2 rule does not come into effect until January 2016...right?

[cfred]

For children who started care BEFORE Royal Assent (Dec 4th, 2014), compliance doesn't start until Jan 2016. For any children who were brought in after Royal Assent (after Dec 4th, 2014) compliance is sooner. NOW, this is where some of the confusion lies. There have been mixed messages and none of us is a stranger to it. First, we thought compliance was immediate for children starting care after Dec 4th. However, it now seems that it's after Proclamation (sometime in the Fall - they project - but who knows). It seems to us that even the Ministry doesn't really know what's going on. Like I said, it's a mess. Either way, kids coming into care after Dec 4th are at risk of being in non-compliance either now or after proclamation....when ever that is. We were under the impression that Royal Assent was to be in the summer. We were all shocked when it was fast tracked 2 weeks after the bill was passed....until we saw the Auditor General's report, which explained it. They HAD to push it through quickly as the AGR showed the licensed sector to have a vastly higher injury, serious occurrence and death rate than the unregulated sector. One could argue that more injuries and occurrences aren't reported in the unregulated sector, which is fair enough. BUT, it's pretty hard to cover up the death of a child. Unregulated (78% of the market) had 6 deaths in total, with only 1 being ruled accidental and in the care of a provider in compliance (legal vs illegal). The licensed sector (22% of the market) had 6 deaths as well....a much, much higher incidence of death in childcare. When we saw that, we knew, beyond a doubt, why this bill was pushed through every stage quickly. It had to be or the public would have torn it to shreds.

There is still a lot on the table that we're working on right now. We are seeking legal counsel regarding the constitutionality of Bill 10 and how it came about. There is talk from Lisa of having the bill repealed should she be elected as head of PCs and should PCs win the election. I'm not sure how that works and am waiting to hear back on that. I'm having my event this week which is the beginning of pulling the sectors together. ADCO (Association of Daycare Operators of Ontario), Montessori schools and ICPs are all unhappy with the bill. This is why we're making efforts to pull all of us together....strength in numbers. We all have different reasons for wanting the bill scrapped or amended. But the fact remains that we all want it and there are a LOT of us! There are a couple other things on the table, but won't go into that just yet.

If you're not involved in the movement yet, get involved. There's still lots going on and we're still fighting hard!

[cfred]

Any providers or parents who are being adversely affected by BILL 10 can send their stories to Karen at khsw@outlook.com to be forwarded to the Ombudsman. He is collecting this information for 3 months to see just how Ontario will be impacted by this flawed Bill 10.